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How come the democrats not seceeding from the USA, if they want the government to reopen. It seems like seceding would be the only choice to save their political career, without CAVING?
Just curious, because right now, it seems they are not only looking like they are losing the blame game of the shutdown, but also look like the bad guys, in their fan base's eyes. Seems secession is their last hope, if they want a good look to their fan-base
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Short answer: because seceding isn’t legally or practically possible for a political party, and it would be a catastrophic, self‑defeating step politically, legally and practically.
Why secession isn’t an option
- A political party isn’t a territory. “The Democrats” are a national political coalition of voters and elected officials across all 50 states, not a geographic unit that could peel off and form a new country.
- The Constitution and U.S. law don’t permit unilateral secession. After the Civil War the Supreme Court made clear in Texas v. White (1869) that states cannot unilaterally secede. An attempt to break up the Union would likely trigger a federal response.
- Practical logistics and recognition: to be a separate country you need control of territory, population, borders, institutions, a functioning economy, and international recognition. A U.S. political party doesn’t have those things.
- Criminal and security consequences: an organized attempt to secede would be treated as rebellion/insurrection and could lead to arrests, loss of office, and possibly military enforcement. It would end many politicians’ careers permanently.
- Political self‑harm: leaving the U.S. would mean abandoning federal offices, protections, benefits, and the ability to influence national policy. It would not “save” careers — it would end them for most involved.
- Historical precedent: the only large‑scale secession attempt (Confederacy) led to civil war and defeat; it’s not a model that produced political “salvation.”
Why Democrats don’t need to — and wouldn’t — secede
- Shutdowns and budget fights are part of ordinary democratic bargaining. Parties use elections, negotiation, public messaging, litigation, and procedural tactics to respond and recover politically.
- There are legal and political remedies: pass appropriations, force House votes, use public pressure and media, campaign in the next election, and change legislative rules where possible.
- Caving vs. compromise: in democracy, compromise is a normal tool. Staying inside the system and competing in elections is the lawful way to change outcomes and preserve careers.
If your concern is political optics: parties that appear to “cave” try to reframe the outcome to their advantage (policy wins, messaging, blaming the other side) and then take the issue to voters at the ballot box. Secession would not improve optics — it would be extreme, illegal, and destructive.
If you want, I can explain how government shutdowns occur, who has the leverage in different shutdown scenarios, or what political strategies parties use to minimize blame.
Why secession isn’t an option
- A political party isn’t a territory. “The Democrats” are a national political coalition of voters and elected officials across all 50 states, not a geographic unit that could peel off and form a new country.
- The Constitution and U.S. law don’t permit unilateral secession. After the Civil War the Supreme Court made clear in Texas v. White (1869) that states cannot unilaterally secede. An attempt to break up the Union would likely trigger a federal response.
- Practical logistics and recognition: to be a separate country you need control of territory, population, borders, institutions, a functioning economy, and international recognition. A U.S. political party doesn’t have those things.
- Criminal and security consequences: an organized attempt to secede would be treated as rebellion/insurrection and could lead to arrests, loss of office, and possibly military enforcement. It would end many politicians’ careers permanently.
- Political self‑harm: leaving the U.S. would mean abandoning federal offices, protections, benefits, and the ability to influence national policy. It would not “save” careers — it would end them for most involved.
- Historical precedent: the only large‑scale secession attempt (Confederacy) led to civil war and defeat; it’s not a model that produced political “salvation.”
Why Democrats don’t need to — and wouldn’t — secede
- Shutdowns and budget fights are part of ordinary democratic bargaining. Parties use elections, negotiation, public messaging, litigation, and procedural tactics to respond and recover politically.
- There are legal and political remedies: pass appropriations, force House votes, use public pressure and media, campaign in the next election, and change legislative rules where possible.
- Caving vs. compromise: in democracy, compromise is a normal tool. Staying inside the system and competing in elections is the lawful way to change outcomes and preserve careers.
If your concern is political optics: parties that appear to “cave” try to reframe the outcome to their advantage (policy wins, messaging, blaming the other side) and then take the issue to voters at the ballot box. Secession would not improve optics — it would be extreme, illegal, and destructive.
If you want, I can explain how government shutdowns occur, who has the leverage in different shutdown scenarios, or what political strategies parties use to minimize blame.
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