Asked by Isaac
Find a for which the points (1,2), (-3,2),(6,5) and (a,3) are concyclic.
I used the properties but I had a very heavy polynomial which broke my heart
I used the properties but I had a very heavy polynomial which broke my heart
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Answered by
oobleck
shouldn't be too heavy, since you're just dealing with a circle through 3 points.
If we call the first three points A,B,C, then
AB: midpoint = (-1,2), slope = 0, perpendicular bisector is x = -1
BC: midpoint = (3/2,7/2), slope = 1/3, pb is y = x/3 + 3
The pb's intersect at (-1,8/3)
So r^2 = 2^2 + (2/3)^2 = 40/9
and thus the circle is (x+1)^2 + (y - 8/3)^2 = 40/9
So, (a+1)^2 + (3 - 8/3)^2 = 40/9
(a+1)^2 + 1/9 = 40/9
a = -1 ±√39/3
If we call the first three points A,B,C, then
AB: midpoint = (-1,2), slope = 0, perpendicular bisector is x = -1
BC: midpoint = (3/2,7/2), slope = 1/3, pb is y = x/3 + 3
The pb's intersect at (-1,8/3)
So r^2 = 2^2 + (2/3)^2 = 40/9
and thus the circle is (x+1)^2 + (y - 8/3)^2 = 40/9
So, (a+1)^2 + (3 - 8/3)^2 = 40/9
(a+1)^2 + 1/9 = 40/9
a = -1 ±√39/3
Answered by
Reiny
I suggest you find the equation of the circle using the first 3 points.
I noticed that (1,2) and (-3,2) would yield a horizontal chord, and therefore
the right-bisector would be x = -1, and the centre must have x = -1
then find the equation for the right-bisector of the chord from (1,2) to (6,5)
the centre will be the intersection of x = -1 and the right-bisector equation
From there it is easy to find the equation, you should ge
(x+1)^2 + (y-1)^2 = 85
sub in the point (a,3) to find a
I noticed that (1,2) and (-3,2) would yield a horizontal chord, and therefore
the right-bisector would be x = -1, and the centre must have x = -1
then find the equation for the right-bisector of the chord from (1,2) to (6,5)
the centre will be the intersection of x = -1 and the right-bisector equation
From there it is easy to find the equation, you should ge
(x+1)^2 + (y-1)^2 = 85
sub in the point (a,3) to find a
Answered by
Isaac
Thank you so so much reiny and obleck
Answered by
oobleck
one or both of us is wrong, though, since we disagree. Better check our math.
Answered by
Isaac
I was wondering
I got a=2√2 for reiny
I got a=2√2 for reiny
Answered by
Isaac
I intend using this properties
AC×BD=(AD×BC)+(AB×CD)
hoping to get some expression to find a but it became so tedious I left it
I'll check the maths
AC×BD=(AD×BC)+(AB×CD)
hoping to get some expression to find a but it became so tedious I left it
I'll check the maths
Answered by
Isaac
Sorry got 8
Answered by
Reiny
The equation of the circle is (x+1)^2 + (y-1)^2 = 85
(All 3 points satisfy the equation)
so for (a,3)
(a+1)^2 + 4 = 85
(a+1)^2 = 81
a+1 = ± 9
a = -10 , or a = 8
(All 3 points satisfy the equation)
so for (a,3)
(a+1)^2 + 4 = 85
(a+1)^2 = 81
a+1 = ± 9
a = -10 , or a = 8
Answered by
oobleck
I'm not sure how you justify your equation. Since A,B,C,D all lie in the same plane, (AD×BC) and (AB×CD) are both vertical vectors, and adding them will not give you any useful information. Or is there some theorem about cross products and concyclic points?
Answered by
Isaac
No I had a wrong thinking then thank you but i read some on it and the said something on complex number using argument
Arg[(z4-z1)/(z2-x1)]+arg[(z2-z3)/(z4-z3)=π
When they multiplied it they said it was real
Arg[(z4-z1)/(z2-x1)]+arg[(z2-z3)/(z4-z3)=π
When they multiplied it they said it was real
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